In this episode of Chasing Leviathan, PJ and Dr. Lixing Sun discuss the biological and psychological foundations for many of our commonly held assumptions about fairness and lying. Dr. Sun explores the fascinating ways in which organic life, even down to the individual cell, is hard-wired to "cheat" and "lie." Dr. Sun also invites us to rethink our ethics of truth-telling, particularly as some forms of lying seem advantageous for well-being and growth.For a deep dive into Dr. Lixing Sun's work, check out his book: The Liars of Nature and the Nature of Liars: Cheating and Deception in the Living World 👉 https://www.amazon.com/dp/0691198608Check out our blog on www.candidgoatproductions.com Who thinks that they can subdue Leviathan? Strength resides in its neck; dismay goes before it. When it rises up, the mighty are terrified. Nothing on earth is its equal. It is without fear. It looks down on all who are haughty; it is king over all who are proud. These words inspired PJ Wehry to create Chasing Leviathan. Chasing Leviathan was born out of two ideals: that truth is worth pursuing but will never be subjugated, and the discipline of listening is one of the most important habits anyone can develop. Every episode is a dialogue, a journey into the depths of a meaningful question explored through the lens of personal experience or professional expertise.

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