What is the role of love in leadership? In this episode of the Soft as Steel podcast, host Dennis Doran interviews Deb Martinez, CEO of the Mission of Love Charities, about her experiences in nonprofit organizations and her current work serving homeless and low-income families and individuals in the community. Martinez emphasizes the importance of providing hope to those in need and shares her thoughts on the meaning of love and its role in her work. The conversation also touches on topics such as inclusion, social justice, mental health, addiction, and suicide, as well as federal legislation promoting apprenticeship programs. Martinez believes that leaders should provide a vision for their staff and community that will produce better outcomes for individuals and communities, and that everyone deserves a chance to succeed. Listeners are encouraged to share the episode with anyone who would benefit from the conversation and to check out Doran's book, Soft as Steel.

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