'For so many people in my generation who were raised with that kind of colorblind approach, they've always thought there's not no racism at all, but they haven't realised that they've internalised so much of it. Because it is in all, it's in the media, it's in the culture, it's all in there. So it's for us about kind of trying to say to people, it's okay to see that now. And we need to start talking about it, and having really deep meaningful conversations about it, and how that might be impacting on the work that we're doing.'In this episode Angie talks to Claire Bloor about her work with First Nations people in Australia, and her move to working with victims of sexual violence in the UK. They discuss the need to embrace intersectionality in working with women, and how being luminary can transform an organization.Claire has over 20 years’ experience working in the charity sector starting her career in Dublin as a caseworker working with homeless people, she has gone on to manage a broad range of support services in both the UK and Australia including youth justice, employment, training, education, and Aboriginal programs.Find more information about SARSAS at www.sarsas.org.ukClaire mentions the work of Reni Eddo-Lodge http://renieddolodge.co.uk/Connect with Angie on her website - www.angelabrowne.co.ukA full transcript of this episode can be found at https://being-luminary.simplec....ast.com/episodes/in- podcast was written and presented by Angie Browne. Original music was by Martin Austwick. The series is edited and produced by Big Tent Media and Emily Crosby Media.