Creating more turnovers will be an emphasis for the Saints' DBs at camp

Jeff and Charlie spoke to WWL listeners about the Saints' secondary and trenches. The guys shared their thoughts on second-year left tackle Trevor Penning. Aaron Schatz, the founder of Football Outsiders, joined Jeff and Charlie to preview the 2023 NFL season. He explained the DVOA stat he created. Schatz said the Saints and Falcons have the easiest schedules in the NFL. He projected the best division in the NFL and gave a surprise team. Schatz also talked about the value of running backs in the current era of the NFL. They spoke to a WWL listener about Michael Thomas.