Kim Pontius, Natalyn Chumley, & Nick Kiziirnis

A Mother (Kim) and daughter (Natalyn) share their adoption story and discuss a few of the annoying questions that people ask adoptees. In 1979, Kim graduated from Iowa State with a bachelor’s degree in psychology. At age 40, she returned to school to get her master’s degree in human relations with an emphasis in counseling from the University of Oklahoma. As Kim comes to the end of her career as a licensed menthal health counselor and clinical director, mother and daughter talk about idea of finding new perspectives to help us overcome challenges, and even suffering, and live a happier and more fulfilling life. Support the show